Hello everybody, I've bought a BomeBox (latest SW installed) to control the Scenes of a Allen & Heath Qu-16 with a MIDI foot controller (program changes). Although I've been able to connect to the mixer with a simple FritzBox, I've failed to do that with the Bome Box. The installation screen appeared on my iPad, I switched to the Allen & Heath mode, automatic coupling failed, manual entering of the mixer's IP-address, too. I've even used another network cable and did a reset of the Bome Box - no change. Any ideas about that? Apart from that I'd like to verify that it is possible by default or with minor changes to use MIDI program changes for Scenes selection of an Allen & Heath Qu-16 (latest SW of course...)! Best regards Klaus (east of Munich, so German answer preferred; I could even come to your headquarter for a solution)

I’m using Google translate to translate from English to German. I hope it works. First, are you able to connect to the Mixer? Do you see it on your Allen and Heath Page? If you are connecting via ethernet, the BomeBox defaults as an ethernet client so the Fritzbox should assign an IP address if it is an Ethernet Router. If you are connecting from BomeBox to Fritzbox via WiFI, you will likely need to set up your BomeBox as a WiFi client. By default it is configured as a Hotspot (which means it will likely be on another network than your current Fritzbox. Once you have all your devices on the same network and opened a MIDI port on your BomeBox for the mixer, then we can address the MIDI commands needed by your mixer to switch scenes. I’ll have to look at the manual but my guess it is some sort of MIDI Show Control. It should be fairly simple to create translators for that from you foot controller once we know what your foot controller sends and what the QU-16 expects. ————————- Ich verwende Google Translate, um vom Englischen ins Deutsche zu übersetzen. Ich hoffe es klappt. Können Sie sich zuerst mit dem Mixer verbinden? Sehen Sie es auf Ihrer Allen and Heath Page? Wenn Sie eine Verbindung über Ethernet herstellen, ist die BomeBox standardmäßig ein Ethernet-Client, sodass die Fritzbox diesen zuweisen sollte eine IP-Adresse, wenn es sich um einen Ethernet-Router handelt. Wenn Sie eine Verbindung von der BomeBox zur Fritzbox über WiFI herstellen, müssen Sie wahrscheinlich Ihre BomeBox als WiFi einrichten Klient. Standardmäßig ist es als Hotspot konfiguriert (was bedeutet, dass es sich wahrscheinlich in einem anderen Netzwerk als Ihrem aktuellen befindet) Fritzbox. Sobald Sie alle Ihre Geräte im selben Netzwerk haben und einen MIDI-Port an Ihrer BomeBox geöffnet haben Für den Mixer können wir dann die von Ihrem Mixer benötigten MIDI-Befehle ansprechen Szenen wechseln. Ich muss mir das Handbuch ansehen, aber ich vermute, es ist eine Art MIDI Show Control. Es sollte ziemlich einfach sein, dafür Übersetzer von Ihrem Foot Controller zu erstellen Sobald wir wissen, was Ihr Fußschalter sendet und was der QU-16 erwartet. Steve Caldwell Bome Q and A Moderator and Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist bome@sniz.biz

Hi Steve, thank you for using Google translate; but I guess my English is – at least for technical issues – better than an automatic translation. I just thought that someone from Munich would answer me and then German is my preferred language of course. I’ve used the FritzBox before to connect my iPad with the mixer and it worked flawless immediately. From the description I thought that I’d no longer need an additional router with the BomeBox but it is just a matter of mixer > ethernet cable > BomeBox > WLAN > iPad. Isn’t that correct? But maybe it’s just that I’ve not changed from “Hotspot” to WIFI client. I’ll try that and come back to you afterwards. Best regards Klaus

Hi, if you set up your ethernet as Ethernet master, it will provide DHCP IP address to your mixer. Then set it up as a WiFI Access Point on the WiFi side so that it provides Wireless to your iPad. It should then behave like a normal router where everything appears on the same WAN. Configured in this way, the BomeBox will also provide DHCP IP address to your iPad. You shouldn’t need the FritzBox. Steve Caldwell Bome Q and A Moderator and Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist bome@sniz.biz P.S. I handle most of Bome support questions and am based in the USA.

Hi Steven, with the helpful information you’ve given the BomeBox finally found the mixer. Anyway it didn’t convert an incoming MIDI program change; the LED beside the MIDI socket showed a short blink and the MIDI channels are set to 1 for the footswitch and the mixer. As far as I understand there’s no further setting required on the mixer ( if you should need the manual, it’s at https://www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu-Mixer-Reference-Guide-AP9372_10.pdf ; page 68 and the MIDI protcol at https://www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu_MIDI_Protocol_V1.9.pdf ;page 8 ff) and no conversion needed. Or am I wrong? It would be a great help if you could create and send a conversion file for scene recall with MIDI program changes. My old MIDI controller (ART X-15) doesn’t send bank select messages but only program changes. Best regards Klaus

Hi Klaus, As I read the spec, it says you need to be on Bank 1 for PC messages to process Program (Scene) changes. You can set up a translator with incoming MIDI message of Program Change on MIDI Channel 1 with program set to pp. The outgoing message should be set up as Bank Change message on MIDI Channel 1 with Bank 1 and program set to PP. That way any time your ART X-15 sends a program Change, MIDI Translator (on BomeBox) will ensure you are always on Bank 1. I’ve attached an example. Just upload to BomeBox and assign the aliases to the correct input and output ports on your BomeBox. If you modify the file, you will need to have a licensed copy of MT Pro in order for it to run on BomeBox. Steve Caldwell Bome Q and A Moderator and Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist bome@sniz.biz — Google translate to German Hallo Klaus, Während ich die Spezifikation lese, heißt es, dass Sie sich auf Bank 1 befinden müssen, damit PC-Meldungen Programmänderungen (Szenenänderungen) verarbeiten können. Sie können einen Übersetzer mit eingehender MIDI-Nachricht von Program Change auf MIDI-Kanal 1 einrichten, wenn das Programm auf pp eingestellt ist. Die ausgehende Nachricht sollte als Bank Change-Nachricht auf MIDI-Kanal 1 eingerichtet werden, wobei Bank 1 und Programm auf PP eingestellt sind. Auf diese Weise stellt der MIDI Translator (auf der BomeBox) jedes Mal, wenn Ihr ART X-15 einen Program Change sendet, sicher, dass Sie immer auf Bank 1 sind. Ich habe ein Beispiel beigefügt. Laden Sie einfach auf BomeBox hoch und weisen Sie die Aliase den richtigen Eingangs- und Ausgangsports auf Ihrer BomeBox zu. Wenn Sie die Datei ändern, benötigen Sie eine lizenzierte Kopie von MT Pro, damit sie auf BomeBox ausgeführt werden kann. Attachments: 1576082218787_PC-to-Bank-and-PC-Example-2019-12-11.bmtp

Hi Steve, I can’t connect to my Allen & Heath QU anymore (haven’t done that for a long time, I’ve just used the ART X-15 to switch the scenes), so I thought it might be a matter of the firmware in the BomeBox that hasn’t been updated for years and the iOS is completely different in the meantime. So I’ve made a reset and installed firmware 1.5.4 successfully. Now I can access the BomeBox from my iPad, but get an error message when I try to install the btmp-file you’ve created for me. Maybe that’s because of the older version from 2019, could you please update the file to an actual version? Best regards Klaus

Hi, If I remember, it is the attached file and it should work as long as you don’t modify it. If you modify it, it requires a full version of Bome MIDI Translator Pro before it will work on BomeBox. PC-to-Bank-and-PC-Example-2019-12-11.bmtp (1022 Bytes) Steve Caldwell Bome Customer Care Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

Hi Steve, thank you for the fast and helpful reply during the weekend! Now I can switch the scenes with my foot controller again, but I still can’t connect to the Qu-Pac with the apps from Allen & Heath (Qu-Pad and Qu-You). The mixer will not be recognized automatically (it should…) and even if I type in the IP-address of the mixer it can’t be found. I’ve switched the IP-address of the mixer to 192.168.1.60 and disabled DHCP in the settings there. If the pedal switching works via the BomeBox the network of the Qu-Pac should be working and the mixer is also shown as Allen & Heath device in the settings of the BomeBox - hmmm…? Bet regards from Germany Klaus

Is everything on the same network? Do you know if the QU-16 can be a server to multiple applications? I think it can but not 100% sure. Steve

Hi Steve, with my iPad I’ve connected to the Bomebox (192.168.153.1) and the Qupac thanks to your help now shows up as connected and the scenes can be switched via MIDI. Last time - but I must admit it’s years ago - I’ve used Qu-Pad and MIDI together. Of course I avoided to switch MIDI while using the app not to get any conflicts. So yes, it should work… How could I check that? Just switch the MIDI connections off? Good night from Germany Klaus

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