MidiMix to Allen and Heath QU

Hi there

Fantastic customer service, thank you so much. I just want to control volume fader and the mix 5-6 send for the channel 8 (for instance) on my QU-SB mixer. As far as I know I need to create a dedicated preset in the Bome MIDI Translator Pro? Unfortunatelly I don’t understand the Qu Midi Protocol :confused:

Best,
Chris

Hi, I moved this to a new topic since it was not related to the original topic.

Please find the attached file. Preset 0 is the same for your original request.

I added Preset 1 with translators. My aliases are set up as follows:
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You will need to assign My Keyboard to your current keyboard and adjust the aliases based on the physical devices.

You can learn more about aliases from this tutorial.

Preset 0 is set to come from ‘My KeyBoard’ and sent to ‘My Destination’.

Preset 1 is set to come from ‘My Controller’ and go to My QU.

I set the the device routing at the preset level.

For more information about device selection, see this tutorial.

Translator 1.0 executes on Project open and calls translator 1.1. The rules of 1.1 call translators 1.6 and 1.7 thereby assigning faders to given LR and Mix.

The buttons above fader 1 (translator 1.4 and 1.5) will manually assign to the same mixes (calling 1.6 and 1.7 respectively).

Once assigned Fader 1 is set to go to LR 1 and Fader 8 is set to go to Mix 5-6.

Unfortunately I do not have a QU device to test with so I will have to trust that I read the documentation correctly.

All translators that send to the QU convert to QU specified NRPN parameters as outlined in the document that I linked you to earlier.

I set up my Midi Mix at factor defaults so you should be able to simply load the MIDI Mix editor and download the default configuration that occurs when the editor is loaded.

QU-Demo-2024-11-03.bmtp (4.3 KB)

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

Hi there

I’m a little bit frustrated, I simply don’t know how to set everything up. So many technical details I need to adjust and I’m not an IT specialist :slight_smile: I’ve bought BomeBox to control my Qu-SB mixer using the MidiMix controller, I hoped there is a step-by-step solution / tutorial for this and now I’m simply confused.

  1. I’ve opened BomeBox Web Config and uploaded the .bmtp file you’ve provided above
  2. My overview looks like this:

  1. My Midi In / Out setting are:

  1. I don’t know what the ‘My keyboard’ is - should it be my laptop?
  2. Unfortunatelly my Bome stopped receiving any data from the MidiMix - the light is not flashing when I turn the knobs on the MidiMix.

Is there any option to get a preset and a step-by-step tutorial how to set this up? I really just want to control volume faders of the chosen audio channels and the three mix send faders for those channels, that’s all.

Best,
Chris

Or maybe you can provide NRPN MSB and LSB values for each channel faders? The Qu Midi Protocol is too complicated for me. I simply don’t know how to interpret the tables it provides.

I thought it would work like this: I have one Midi channel to communicate with the Qu-SB mixer. On the MidiMix, each fader has a fixed midi channel assigned to it, and different CC parameters corresponding to the individual functions in the Allen & Heath Qu-SB.

It turns out (probably) that each fader in the Qu-SB needs to receive data from a separate midi channel?

If the solution requires a dedicated service - please let me know how I can learn more

When your project file is loaded on your BomeBox. My Keyboard should be the keyboard you are sending from for channel rotation.
My Destination should be where you want your channel rotation to go.

My Controller and My Qu are correct.

If you want to test with MT Pro first it might be easier. Just use Remote Direct MIDI. You can select your ports on your computer. Say your BomeBox Name is ‘BomeBox’. Then on your computer to point as follows.

My Keyboard - whatever port your device that sends MIDI for channel rotation

  • My Destination - Whatever device receives rotated notes.
  • My Controller - Midi Mix if connected to your computer or BomeBox: Midi Mix if connected to your BomeBox
  • My QU - BomeBox:QU SB

To do this you need to open the Bome Network tool on your computer and then click on the name of your BomeBox. You should see something similar to this. In my case I use BomeBoxB and have 4 usb device connect and enabled for Remote Direct MIDI. I leave the DIN port disabled. I also enabled the A&H QU Remote port.

Here are how my aliases are setup on my system for testing.

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Then in Bome MIDI Translator Pro you open the log window and turn on MIDI IN and MIDI OUT and see what is happening.

Your QU should be on MIDI Channel 1.

I agree that the protocol is complicated, probably because the mixer itself is complicated.

Allen and Heath (or maybe someone else has released this google spreadsheet to aid you.

Their protocol allows for assignment of faders for different functions. which makes it more complicated.

Once it is working, then you upload the project to your BomeBox and reassign the aliases to the ones that BomeBox sees.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

The whole process is very complicated because I have to configure and synchronize many different elements: Bome Web Config, MidiMix software, Bome Translator Pro, Preset, A&H Midi Control, Qu-SB Qu Pad, then I need to understand the NRPN Parameters etc. It’s too much for me, I’m just a musician, not an IT guy. I will write a full brief asking for a quote for a paid service.

Sounds good. Yes, this is a very full featured (and complicated) mixer.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

When I open the preset in the Bome Midi Translator Pro and I want to set the Midi Ports (i use MidiMix controller), I’m getting this notification:

‘MIDI INPUT “BomeBox: MIDI Mix” cannot be opened (maybe in use by another program?). It is set to “pending”.’

Can you help me with this issue?

Sure,

Shut down the project file on your BomeBox and instead, use the project file on your computer while testing/adjusting. Once that is done, and you have the project file translating as you wish, you can upload it to BomeBox, set your alias on your BomeBox and run the project there without a computer.

If you have any other computers using the BomeBox:Midi Mix port, make sure they are not accessing it as well.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

Thank you. Yes, It was Allen & Heath Midi Control running. When I turned it off the problem disappeared.

But there is another problem. When I connect the MidiMix to the BomeBox and move the sliders and knobs, I see the Midi Out light in the BomeBox light up. However, this only happens when the BomeBox does not have any preset enabled in Web Config > Midi Translator. As soon as I run any preset, the Midi Out light stops responding to the MidiMix sliders and knobs. In the Midi Ports section, everything seems to be connected correctly. Do you know why this happens?

The LEDs will only light up if there is MIDI through the MIDI DIN port. Your BomeBox probably has automatic routes set up in the MIDI Routing page, thereby sending MIDI to all available ports from your MIDI Mix. In your case, with the project file loaded, we do not have the MIDI DIN port selected since the project file is only routing between the USB port and the Allen&Health network port. If you have a project loaded on your computer the routing would be:

MIDI Mix - > BomeBox → Compute Running Bome MIDI Translator Pro (BomeBox: Midi Mix) → BomeBox:QUSB.

With the above configuration you can monitor all traffic between your Midi Mix and your QU and set up translators as needed while developing your project.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

Thanks for your answer. I have two questions:

  1. So the lack of a Midi Out LED doesn’t mean that Bome isn’t receiving a Midi signal from MidiMix via USB?

  2. You wrote ‘Compute Running Bome MIDI Translator Pro’ - what if I have Bome MIDI Translator Pro closed? What if I load a preset via Bome Web Config and then close Bome MIDI Translator Pro?

Correct, the LED only lights up when there is MIDI Traffic to and from the MIDI DIN port.

For developing your project, use the routes I indicated so you can monitor the traffic and make any necessary changes to the translator(s).

One you are done, then you can upload the project to the BomeBox, re-assign the aliases on your BomeBox, and then run your project there without the computer.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

The good news is: the preset works! I’m going to test it now. I will let you know if there will be any issues. Thank you for your support!

You mean I got it right after all with just the documents and not having an A&H mixer? If so, that would be amazing! It usually takes a few iterations for me to get it right with the help of someone with a mixer to test it for me.

Steve

It works halfway - it allows me to adjust the volume faders, not the mix sends. The ‘send Level Mix 5-6’ translator controls the volume level of the channel 8, not the mix 5-6 send level. Do you have any clue?

Yes, try this version.

QU-Demo-2024-11-08.bmtp (4.3 KB)

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz

It works! Fantastic. Thank you. What should I do if I wanted to duplicate the volume level translators - to control more channels? Can I just duplicate the ‘[2] LR Volume Track 1’ translator? I should I duplicate any others?

And is it easy to set the send mix 7-8 and 9-10?

Best,
Chris

I’m glad it is working for you!

Here is the google spreadsheets tool that I used. I think Allen&Heath published it but I’m not sure.

You your incoming action should be the fader or knob CC and you would need to adjust the variables of the translators for the correct values in the rules.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care


Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz