Multiple note on at the same time not partially translated (solved)

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Hi all,

I am using mid translator Pro, to make my keyboard (Technics KN 1000) behave like a GM instrument.
I am playing midi files in Cakewalk (GM) --> Midi - Translator Pro (KN 1000) --> KN 1000 keyboard.

Mid translator Pro does the following:

  • Change GM Program change messages into KN 1000 messages
    128 translators
  • Change DRUM channel 10 GM note on/off into KN 1000 note on/off messages
    100 translators (on/off instruments)
    All translators have the option “stop processing after executing this translator” checked.

It’s working pretty well.

I have now one midi file from the Eagles (Tequila Sunrise) which has a drum section having 4 notes on / off at the same time.
This the event list in Cakewalk:

CakeWalk_event-list
CakeWalk_event-list1395×732 258 KB

At the same time, 4 notes on are sent in a very short period and it repeats again.
If I disable the preset, then the keyboard plays all notes on channel 10, but of cause with the wrong instruments.

Midi translator does not process all note on /off events, this cause problem on the keyboard:

  • wrong instrument
  • it stops playing after 8 note on messages (max. 8 supported by keyboard), because it does not receive the corresponding note off message.

How can this be solved?

This is the log window from Midi Translator Pro:
1: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: C9 00
2: IN 2.0 Program Change on any channel=10 set ‘pp’ to ch. with program:0 (0x00)
3: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: B9 00 00 B9 20 00 C9 00
4: OUT 2.0 Bank Change on ch.‘pp’=9 (ch.10) with bank#:0 (0x00) and program:0 (0x00)
5: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 23 5A
6: IN 1.0 Note On on ch. 10 with note:35 (0x23) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=90
7: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 25 5A
8: OUT 1.0 Note On on ch. 10 with note:37 (0x25) and velocity:pp=90
9: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 2A 5A
10: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 2A 5A
11: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 31 50
12: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 31 50
13: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 36 5A
14: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 36 5A
15: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 46 3C
16: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 46 3C
17: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 46 00
18: IN 1.71 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:70 (0x46) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
19: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 49 00
20: OUT 1.71 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:73 (0x49) and velocity:pp=0
21: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 31 00
22: IN 1.29 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:49 (0x31) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
23: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 33 00
24: OUT 1.29 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:51 (0x33) and velocity:pp=0
25: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 23 00
26: IN 1.1 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:35 (0x23) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
27: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 25 00
28: OUT 1.1 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:37 (0x25) and velocity:pp=0
29: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 2A 00
30: IN 1.15 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:42 (0x2A) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
31: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 30 00
32: OUT 1.15 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:48 (0x30) and velocity:pp=0
33: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 36 00
34: IN 1.39 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:54 (0x36) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
35: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 31 00
36: OUT 1.39 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:49 (0x31) and velocity:pp=0
37: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 2A 28
38: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 2A 28
39: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 36 28
40: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 36 28
41: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 46 16
42: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 46 16
43: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 45 3C
44: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 45 3C
45: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 45 00
46: IN 1.69 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:69 (0x45) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
47: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 47 00
48: OUT 1.69 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:71 (0x47) and velocity:pp=0
49: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 2A 00
50: IN 1.15 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:42 (0x2A) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
51: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 30 00
52: OUT 1.15 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:48 (0x30) and velocity:pp=0
53: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 36 00
54: IN 1.39 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:54 (0x36) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
55: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 31 00
56: OUT 1.39 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:49 (0x31) and velocity:pp=0
57: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 46 00
58: IN 1.71 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:70 (0x46) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
59: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 49 00
60: OUT 1.71 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:73 (0x49) and velocity:pp=0
61: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 2A 46
62: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 2A 46
63: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 25 73
64: IN 1.4 Note On on ch. 10 with note:37 (0x25) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=115
65: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 2F 73
66: OUT 1.4 Note On on ch. 10 with note:47 (0x2F) and velocity:pp=115
67: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 36 3C
68: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 36 3C
69: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 27 50
70: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 27 50
71: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 46 3C
72: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 46 3C
73: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 45 5A
74: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 99 45 5A
75: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 45 00
76: IN 1.69 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:69 (0x45) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
77: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 47 00
78: OUT 1.69 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:71 (0x47) and velocity:pp=0
79: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 25 00
80: IN 1.5 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:37 (0x25) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
81: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 2F 00
82: OUT 1.5 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:47 (0x2F) and velocity:pp=0
83: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 36 00
84: IN 1.39 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:54 (0x36) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
85: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 31 00
86: OUT 1.39 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:49 (0x31) and velocity:pp=0
87: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 2A 00
88: IN 1.15 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:42 (0x2A) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
89: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 30 00
90: OUT 1.15 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:48 (0x30) and velocity:pp=0
91: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: 99 46 00
92: IN 1.71 Note Off on ch. 10 with note:70 (0x46) and any velocity set ‘pp’ to velocity=0
93: MIDI OUT [iRig MIDI 2]: 89 49 00

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Well without Looking at your project file but looking at the log, it appears you probably have some
translators written incorrectly. On MIDI IN I can always match an incoming Note On Message with a later received Note Off Message.

However On outgoing messages I cannot always find a matching Note-Off Message

Status Byte Note Number Velocity On or Off Sequence
99 2A 28 ON 1
99 36 28 ON 2
99 46 16 ON 3
99 45 3C ON 4
89 47 0 OFF NO MATCH
89 30 0 OFF NO MATCH
89 31 0 OFF NO MATCH
89 49 0 OFF NO MATCH
99 2A 46 ON 1
99 2F 73 ON 2
99 36 3C ON 3
99 27 50 ON 4
99 46 3C ON 5
99 45 5A ON 6
89 47 0 OFF NO MATCH
89 2F 0 OFF 2
89 31 0 OFF NO MATCH
89 30 0 OFF NO MATCH
89 49 0 OFF NO MATCH

I suggest double checking your translators to find out why in some cases you are not sending matching note off messages.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care

Also available for paid consulting services: bome@sniz.biz
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Hi Steve,

I have checked my translators, by playing note by note and I saw some of the note on messages were not translated. All note off went well.
So I compared the note on with the note off translators and I found I did make a mistake.
In the note on translators I had a fixed (100) velocity and in the note off I had any.
Changed all note on translators with any and of course passing the value to Outgoing and now is working perfectly.

Thanks for your help.

Theo.

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You are welcome! I was pretty sure MT Pro was doing exactly what it was programmed to do (right or wrong).